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Astra Gaming et classement des factions
ZergSpirit:
Salut les gens!
Je rebalance ici un petit post que j'ai vu sur les forums US PP.
Un "groupe" de joueur, présenté comme une "fraternité" (j'imagine que pour des ricains, le mot a un sens différent que pour nous) a lancé un site, Astra Gaming.
Je sais pas exactement quel est leur but dans la life, mais là tout de suite ils ont sorti une liste des factions triées par pouissance (entendre, leur force en tournoi quoi).
Là où ca devient intéressant (enfin bon, tout est relatif, je trouve ca intéressant en tout cas perso :p ), c'est que les joueurs de cette équipe sont pas des enfants de choir quoi.
On a :
* JVM, joueur Blight de légende, récent vainqueur du Lock&Load 2015
* Tom Guan, joueur Cryx très fort et très actifs sur la scène des tournois US
* Jason Flanzer, joueur Trollblood de légende.
* Ryan Chiriboga, joueur Cryx Team 1 WTC US
* Brian White, LE joueur Menoth des états unis
* Adrian Finol, que je ne connais pas et qui est probablement le webmaster du site du coup :p
* Will Pagani, dieu
Une présentation de ces joueurs est dispo sur leur site.
Donc bon, allez, le classement.
Je pas traduire parce que c'est chiant, mais voila :
--- Citer ---1. Cryx – Cryx gets the number one spot in large part because of the popularity of the faction and the fact that every list pair needs an answer for Cryx. The faction is strong, their presence is stronger.
2. Circle Orboros – Circle has definitely come down a step since the stone nerf, but is this a really shift in their power or just a setback? Bradigus has turned Circle from an already strong faction into a monster. Lady Goat and Kreuger2 provide great second and third list options.
3. Trollbloods – Calandra EE tier paired with Doomshaper1 Runes of war may be the best pair in the game currently and the addition of miserable meat mountain has everybody scrambling to update their lists.
4. Legion – Legion has really evolved in the last year to meet the meta with their second list; Vayl1 and Vayl2 are one of the strongest pairs out there.
5. Cygnar – Cygnar remains a well rounded faction with a very strong range game and a decent answer to the current meta with Siege.
6. Protectorate of Menoth – Menoth has taken a real hit over the last couple years and have struggled to answer all the new powerful casters that have been released in that time.
7. Mercenaries – While mercenaries have greatly improved with their colossal, that are really limited to just their colossal. The will move up quickly if somebody is able to prove a level with the faction.
8. Skorne – Martin Hornacek can do it, why can’t anybody in the US make these guys work?
9. Khador – Ruin is the coolest looking warjack ever produced and goes great with many casters, but he can’t solve all the meta questions being asked to Khador right now.
10. Retribution - Retribution keeps getting great new toys, but does it add up to anything consistent?
11. Convergence – A predictable play style and limited options has fewer and fewer players worried about Convergence these days.
12. Minions – Try as Rickard may, the pacts are just too limited to put the faction on par with the others.
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Bon, ca peut partir un peu en Troll ce topic, mais franchement je trouve ca intéressant de voir par exemple que Troll est classé 3ème par ces joueurs de haute volée, pour qui la cueillaison de pâquerettes n'est qu'un lointain souvenir.
La place de Khador aussi m'a interloqué, ou plus exactement celle des Mercos, finalement a une place pas dégueulasse.
En tout cas, je sais plus qui me soutenait ce week end que Cygnar c'était faiblard, mais Pagani est d'accord avec moi, c'est trop ub3r.
Discuss!
rafa:
Le classement des listes types qui suit est aussi très intéressant et explique pas mal le classement des factions.
Krimir:
le classement des listes me parait encore plus interessant effectivement.
Notamment le "monstre" EAsphy qu'il ne faut pas avoir d'ame pour jouer en 14eme derriere la Harbi ^^
J'ai lu, je trouve que leurs points de vues sont tres intéressants.
ZergSpirit:
Vi, et c'est là => http://www.astragamingteam.com/#/astra-power-rankings-6/15/2015/
Pareil, je recopie comme un sale :
--- Citer ---This section will rank Casters with a particular list composition for that caster. After all the right list can make or break any army.
1. Deneghra2, Body and Soul – +1 to go first, check; start with pursuit on your opponents model/unit, check; mix with one of the most powerful scenario feats in the game and season with win.
2. Haley2, Various – Is it possible for the greatest caster in the game to see a resurgence? Because I think that is happening right now. Put models under her name on the list form and win tourneys.
3. Bradigus, Wold War –Bradigus in tier continues to be the ultimate problem. This list is tremendously powerful and the only hope we have is that everybody is already attempting to counter the list, causing the greatest meta shift in some time.
4. Ossrum, Galleon, Earthbreaker & Thor – The Earthbreaker has changed the way Mercenaries play as a faction and Ossrum is the vehicle by which it is most effectively delivered. The math works out.
5. Doomshaper1, Runes of War – This list has defined the brick meta since Flanzer won Lock and Load in 2012. If you need to break armor, this list is your first test.
6. Vayl2, Machinations of Shadow– Build a competitive list and then realize you get more points for the theme? Vayl2 in tier is the bread and butter of the majority of Legion players out there. When in doubt, apply Vayl2.
7. Skarre1, 30 Bane Knights - Do you have an answer for infantry in your anti-Cryx list? How about armor 21? If yes, then it’s a game; if no, then get off my table.
8. Miserable Meat Mountain – The only list without a caster. Apply two units of Warders to the face and then some other stuff to back it up. Sometimes you just can't kill it all.
9. Morvhana2, Various – Initially popular with a magic monkey and now more often seen with just infantry, Morvhana2 is a powerhouse with a long attrition game and the ability to assassinate with spells or kill a heavy in melee.
10. Calandra, Evolutionary Elementalism – This list is powerful and getting better. 11 free points just is NOT a balancing act.
11. Kreuger2, Pagani/Moorhouse – Pick either Will’s or James’s list from the 2014 WTC, win.
12. Xerxis1, Fist of Halaak – Just as with the faction, Martin has it figured out, when will the rest of us?
13. Harbinger, Various – Brian White style, Mike Puryear style or otherwise, the Harbinger is a great caster with access to some powerful pieces.
14. Asphyxious2 – The once king is still very powerful, don’t ever forget to plan for excarnate when building a list pair.
15. Haley1, Galleon, Stormwall – 114 boxes of arm 22 goodness; did I mention you can’t run or charge?
16. Vayl1, Heavies – With the new armor skew meta, Vayle1 has become a very popular compliment to Vayle2 and one of the best answers to Bradigus in the meta.
17. Butcher3, Ruin and… – The only caster on the list without a list…because Butcher3! This man is an assassin, a tank, and a scenario god. It also happens all on Lola's back.
18. Severius1, Guns – Sev1 is able to produce one of the greatest gun lines in the game and with a choice of two huge bases to stand behind, the old man can feel safe.
19. Vyross2, Griffons and Imperatus – This list has single-handedly kept Retribution in the meta; it’s not their only list, but it is their best list.
20. Deneghra1, Guns – With the release of the Devil’s Shadow Mutineers and the popularity of Body and Soul, Deneghra1 has been seeing more table time.
21. Lylyth2, Guns – Turns out a fantastic gun line with shadow pack just wins some games.
22. Mordikaar, balanced – Mordikaar has been seen with a fantastically balanced list recently that is very capable in the right hands.
23. Goreshade2, tier – Stealth spam skew list that preys on living models, a great answer to anything that really bothers Cryx.
24. Exulon Thexus, dark horse – Still a dark horse caster and list, ET has helped develop another option for Mercenaries
25. The High Reclaimer, jacks or infantry – Coming in at number 25 is a list that I can’t see because there are just too many clouds in the way.
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C'est en effet super intéressant comme liste, encore plus que la première :)
GRUXXKi:
Ca confirme pas mal mon ressenti personnel sur les factions.
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